Thanx for the response, Lynn -
You have been a hero to me since we both began in MidiTzer
in the early days of Bruce's breakthru creation of soundfonts
that led the way to what has become a great appreciation
of a sound that way dying.
When I heard the first sounds I became a true enthusiast,
promoting the King of Instruments, and life was changed
for me forever.
I was shocked to see that message I sent to an individual
was posted to the entire list (gulp), but having seen your
response has made me very glad I did send it.
I have many instruments, creating an organ museum here,
and although it is important for me to promote the freely
downloadable MidiTzer 216 to promote to today's generation
(with Bruce's soundfonts) - I tell folks "If _I_ can do it _Anyone_
can do it" - and I am seeing my music students come alive
with this magniicent tool is wonderful.
My touring instrument in the style of a 216 Wurli is powered
by this software, using "blind" registration for my stoptabs
in that replica console design rather than monitors.
Yet my larger instrument in a Devtronics console needs
to sound like the 260 I enjoyed with the MidiTzer, however/
although I love those additional ranks, I need SAMs and
other advances beyond the purpose of Esq Jim's design.
Also, since I use multiple SoundBlasters, some computers
powering 16 separate amplified speakers for a separate
rank to sing from each speaker cabinet, and my current
one singing through five SB cards for twenty outputs for
the 260, I am creating a couple of winded pipechests to
swap out with speaker ranks - I'll have four ranks of winded
pipes to augment the speakers so people can hear the
actual winded pipes. (I have a stoplist on my website of
a Conn_Tellers combination pipe/speaker organ I enjoyed
back in my University days, that acomplished something
speakers alone do not do as well as I seek to reach out.
Again, I prefer to keep it simple enough to encourage
others of today's society to use the same tech to start
their own project, I am content with Bruce Miles' sounds.
He is one dear fellow!
When I first heard them on the MidiTzer it reminded of
years I spent as a kid with Lorin Whitney at his studio -
something those old electroids of the '60's never did,
when I left the organ and went into conducting rather
than organ. Oh, if I could only start over again, I'd
pursue the organ, but I thought it would somehow go
on forever for whoever might be "into" that sound of
Granny's organ or the Lawrence Welk sound with the
light-up buttons and stupid rhythm patterns that were
supposed to make any idiot sound like a polished
musician without devoting any time to practice or
Bosh! - That kind of thinking alienated the true
musician and discouraged the lazy non-musician
seeking an easy ride to stardom after a few tries.
I do have a DIY Artisan organ from that era, a truly
designed theatre organ to appeal more to a true musician.
That was back in the "paint by numbers" days that
told people they could replicate Rembrandt without any
painting study. Bosh!
Anyhow, my task now is to create my instrument
emulating the 260 with SAM controls and some
pipechest magnets, and I believe MidiBox and jOrgan
can help me complete the project.
My biggest question, which I had asked of the original
poster is whether my kX engine with multiple SoundBlasters
(the "anyone can do it, buddy" theme) that works with
MidiTzer will work with j-Organ and further, if it will work
in the Linux arena.
I do not use FluidSynth - do not like the lag latency or
whatever. I've written a tutorial how I maximize the use of
soundfonts on each sound card (4 ranks per card, and
since the polyphony is limited whether I use both synths
on a card, I just use synth one), so the larger soundfonts
are shared with simple ones, i.e., cathedral chimes will
not be played as massive chords as some of the fonts
that are doubled over and over and played in chords on
MZ is very easy to configure sounds per card that way,
and i pan hard left and right rather than go stereo for
the total number of discrete "pipe" ranks.
I have as many as five keyboards on some consoles,
but will only have four here - the three of the 260, plus
a dedicated fourth with GM MIDI and pipe ranks I call
the "antiphol-enchamade" (as I have documented on
my website when I wanted Jim to create a third manual
on MZ in the early days and he refused - so I created
an hybrid sound to play both classic and cinema on
my first console and it is heavenly!
So my question is if kX will co-exist with j-Organ,
and if it will work in Linux, to free up memory that
may become boggled down in the Windows XP Pro
OS that I use in my dedicated MIDI computers now.
I was hoping someone had crossed this bridge, and
your encouragement, as always, is a beacon light
to guys like me. I may have to forge out on my own,
but if kX and Linux are incompatible, or if kX does
not work in the J-Organ environment, I'm in a world
apart, having enjoyed the simplicity of multiple SB
capablilites of kX.
As soon as I can shrink my tutorial, I'll try to mount
it on my website for your critique, but it is too large
a file with all the graphics and screenshots, or you
would see what I am attempting to "port over," or,
more accurately, to accomplish in the more advanced
j-Organ software and slimmer Linux OS using the 260.
I want to reach farther than just the MZ 260, using
SAMS and pipes and hope jOrgan can do that with
MidiBox and multiple soundcards for 20 outputs.
I thought I had died and gone to heaven when I used
two SBs for eight outputs (as explained on my website)
for discrete ranks playng through seprate speaker cabs
and when I put four of them there for 16 speakers, since
Creative software does not allow more than two cards,
it was even more awesome. Now I'm ready for 20 ranks
to sing thru the 260 spec (I enjoyed the additional 10
ranks - especially those cool reeds - in the MZ sample
before it expired on me).
I do appreciate the recorder on the MZ that doesn't
seem to be on the jOrgan, though. It's great for my
music students, as well as my touring gigs that
accompany the 12-projector multi-media sing-alongs
that were formerly recorded orchestrations in GM MIDI
--- On Tue, 4/19/11, Lynn Walls <***@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Lynn Walls <***@gmail.com>
Subject: [jOrgan-user] MidiTzer to jOrgan migration (was: Soundcard drivers and EAX, was: Far fetched idea)
Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 6:23 PM
I got started in this VTPO business with MidiTzer, and quickly moved to the MidiTzer 260SP
using Bruce Miles' soundfont and MidiTzer's internal link to Fluidsynth...Then to MidiTzer
260SP using a Creative SoundBlaster hardware synth (both A and B synths on one card 'cause
you need more than 16 channels with MidiTzer 260SP).
Before long I replicated the MidiTzer 260SP ranks and stops in jOrgan (not a trivial
undertaking), still using the Miles cinema soundfont on a SoundBlaster card.
This is where you seem to want to go by your statement: "...porting over from MidiTzer to
jOrgan" So, to answer your question: It is definitely possible to do achieving nearly
100% of MidiTzer's functionality in jOrgan. But it is not as trivial an undertaking as
your phrase "porting over" would suggest. It's a good deal of work to craft the jOrgan
disposition to make it equivalent to the MidiTzer...and at that point you really don't
have anything better than MidiTzer. If that all you intend to do, you've wasted your time
except for the experience of having done it.
So, the purpose of doing all this, I presume, is to be able to expand your VTPO to
something that has substantially more resources than MidiTzer -- creating additional Ranks
and Stops and even manuals well beyond what MidiTzer has.
The other kind of expansion that jOrgan affords is to be able to play other types of
organs (classical, church, novelty) using .disposition (organ definition) files and
soundfont files built by other people, using your same midi keyboards, switches and
pedals. As you know, with MidiTzer you are limited to just two possible organs -- the
260SP being an only extension of the original MidiTer.
MidiTzer on steroids is what I did, anyway...
After I got the jOrgan VTPO working substantially the same as MidiTzer, I soon expanded it
to about 30 ranks using theatre organ soundfonts from the Kent Allman web site. Then Joe
Hardy came along and built some wonderful ranks as GigaSampler files (similar to
soundfonts), and I acquired the GigaStudio Orchestra sampler software to play Hardy's .gig
ranks. And that's where I am today: a 3/30 Theatre Organ VTPO based on jOrgan and GSO3
and the Joe Hardy .gig ranks -- all evolved from a MidiTzer beginning.
The only path beyond this point (at least in terms of a credible virtual theatre organ) is
to move into the Hauptwerk arena. As far as I know there is no more work being done to
craft more or better theatre organ ranks in soundfonts or gigasampler files. All the
theatre organ sampling and sample set building is being done in the Hauptwerk environment.
So, for me, the jOrgan VTPO world has pretty much topped out with the configuration that I
described above. I don't plan to do much more until after I decide to buy Hauptwerk and
one or more of the Hauptwerk theatre organ sets. At that point I will probably create a
jOrgan VTPO that "plays" the Hauptwerk organ, rather than use the Hauptwerk
human-interface display screens directly.
I should note that there is only one significant MidiTzer feature that jOrgan cannot
replicate: the console controlled dynamic scoping (reconfiguring) of the combo pistons. I
really miss this unique MidiTzer feature. I don't think even Hauptwerk can do this.
Post by Paul Kealy
I am just on the verge of porting over from MidiTzer to jOrgan.
Do you know if this will work?
five Live 5.1 SoundBlasters mounted in a specifically MIDI computer
My other computer uses KX Pro with MidiTzer and works fine
with four SoundBalsters - the one I'm documenting in a tutorial.
I have not attempted Linux at this point,
as I had heard kX is inoperable with kX and multiple SoundBlasters.
I prefer the sound of many ranks from discrete amplified speakers,
Do you know if this will work?