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[TROUBLESHOOTING] ASIO4ALL Settings - WAS [ANN]new Russell for 3.13beta6 with Asio
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Graham Goode
2011-04-12 11:02:04 UTC
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Hi Marco,

Try setting the sample rate of the fluidsynth instance to 48000, some
sound devices can only do 48000 and not 41000. For a better
troubleshooting platform could you download and install the Jack Audio
Connection Kit and follow the WIKI steps to get it going. Then respond
here with the results that you get.

Kind regards,
GrahamG
Hi Graham,
dsound works fine. Followed your instructions with no success. I get this on
C:\Users\Mark\Desktop>"C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\java.exe"
-jar "C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6 (ASIO)\jorgan.jar"
before paHostApiInitializers[0].
ASIO names[0]:ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 name = ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 inputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 outputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMinSize = 64
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMaxSize = 2048
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferPreferredSize = 512
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferGranularity = 8
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultSampleRate = 8000.000000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowInputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowOutputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighInputLatency = 0.192000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighOutputLatency = 0.192000
after paHostApiInitializers[0].
TerminateHostApis in
TerminateHostApis out
DumpTraceMessages: traceIndex = 0
before paHostApiInitializers[0].
ASIO names[0]:ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 name = ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 inputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 outputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMinSize = 64
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMaxSize = 2048
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferPreferredSize = 512
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferGranularity = 8
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultSampleRate = 8000.000000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowInputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowOutputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighInputLatency = 0.192000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighOutputLatency = 0.192000
after paHostApiInitializers[0].
ASIOCanSampleRate(44100.000000):-995
ERROR: ASIOCanSampleRate: Sample clock or rate cannot be determined or is
not pr
esent
goto errored
fluidsynth: error: Error opening PortAudio stream: Invalid sample rate
TerminateHostApis in
TerminateHostApis out
DumpTraceMessages: traceIndex = 0
before paHostApiInitializers[0].
ASIO names[0]:ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 name = ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 inputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 outputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMinSize = 64
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMaxSize = 2048
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferPreferredSize = 512
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferGranularity = 8
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultSampleRate = 8000.000000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowInputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowOutputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighInputLatency = 0.192000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighOutputLatency = 0.192000
after paHostApiInitializers[0].
TerminateHostApis in
TerminateHostApis out
DumpTraceMessages: traceIndex = 0
before paHostApiInitializers[0].
ASIO names[0]:ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 name = ASIO4ALL v2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 inputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 outputChannels = 2
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMinSize = 64
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferMaxSize = 2048
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferPreferredSize = 512
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 bufferGranularity = 8
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultSampleRate = 8000.000000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowInputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultLowOutputLatency = 0.064000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighInputLatency = 0.192000
PaAsio_Initialize: drv:0 defaultHighOutputLatency = 0.192000
after paHostApiInitializers[0].
ASIOCanSampleRate(44100.000000):-995
ERROR: ASIOCanSampleRate: Sample clock or rate cannot be determined or is
not pr
esent
goto errored
fluidsynth: error: Error opening PortAudio stream: Invalid sample rate
TerminateHostApis in
TerminateHostApis out
DumpTraceMessages: traceIndex = 0
Regards
Marco
Hi Marco,
Does the organ work with the usual dsound driver selected?
If so, then select 'file' in the audio driver (to clear the Sound
Card's connection with dsound), then select the portaudio driver and
then the ASIO4ALL audio device. Set your Audio buffers to 8 and your
Audio Buffer size to 512. Then look to see if jOrgan is reporting a
problem with the fluidsynth element.
If it is still reporting a problem, then you are probably running into
an issue caused by the newer Audio driver levels of Windows 7 in which
ASIO4ALL will intermittently work or not work depending on what other
applications have been using the sound interface.
Kind regards,
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Marco Francesco
2011-04-13 01:27:01 UTC
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Thanks for your reply Graham. I thought I was left stranded on a dessert
island and forgotten!

I am setting Jack as you recommended. In my case the target property needed
a slight modification: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Jack v1.9.7\jackd.exe" -R -S
-d portaudio -d "ASIO::ASIO4ALL v2"

The VST link you refer to in the WIKI is obsolete.

The reverb sample link is dead (404 error). I manged to locate this:
http://freeverb3.sourceforge.net/mirror/. I could not ope the bz2 file from
this link so I downloaded the zip file instead. I assume they are different
compressed versions of same original file.

I got stuck at: Configure the Fludisynth Sound element to use the JackRouter
device. How is that done? JackRouter does not feature in the dropdown lists.

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Graham Goode
2011-04-13 05:53:16 UTC
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Hi Marco,

If JackRouter is not showing in the Audio Device property when
portaudio is selected as the Audio Driver then we need to troubleshoot
the Jack PortAudio audio server startup. Start Jack PortAudio, then
start Jack Control, and let me know what Jack Control reports (i.e.
Active, blinking RT, 48000 Hz, etc).

I will be correcting the VST links today, and adding the ReverberateLE
and a few other options as well. Thanks for your report :)

Kind regards,
GrahamG
Post by Marco Francesco
Thanks for your reply Graham. I thought I was left stranded on a dessert
island and forgotten!
I am setting Jack as you recommended. In my case the target property needed
a slight modification: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Jack v1.9.7\jackd.exe" -R -S
-d portaudio -d "ASIO::ASIO4ALL v2"
The VST link you refer to in the WIKI is obsolete.
http://freeverb3.sourceforge.net/mirror/. I could not ope the bz2 file from
this link so I downloaded the zip file instead. I assume they are different
compressed versions of same original file.
I got stuck at: Configure the Fludisynth Sound element to use the JackRouter
device. How is that done? JackRouter does not feature in the dropdown lists.
Marco
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orgel jeux
2011-04-13 07:56:47 UTC
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Graham, that's interesting....I often have the same trouble with WIN7 not
giving the ASIO driver free, after having used other audio software.
Sometimes I have to go in AUDIO-playback-properties-advanced and have to
change the settings of exclusive modus, but not conform a standard
procedure........

Specially when switching between dsound and ASIO I think, as my HW always
functions as it is always used under ASIO......


Greetings,

Geert
Post by Graham Goode
Hi Marco,
If JackRouter is not showing in the Audio Device property when
portaudio is selected as the Audio Driver then we need to troubleshoot
the Jack PortAudio audio server startup. Start Jack PortAudio, then
start Jack Control, and let me know what Jack Control reports (i.e.
Active, blinking RT, 48000 Hz, etc).
I will be correcting the VST links today, and adding the ReverberateLE
and a few other options as well. Thanks for your report :)
Kind regards,
GrahamG
Post by Marco Francesco
Thanks for your reply Graham. I thought I was left stranded on a dessert
island and forgotten!
I am setting Jack as you recommended. In my case the target property
needed
Post by Marco Francesco
a slight modification: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Jack v1.9.7\jackd.exe" -R
-S
Post by Marco Francesco
-d portaudio -d "ASIO::ASIO4ALL v2"
The VST link you refer to in the WIKI is obsolete.
http://freeverb3.sourceforge.net/mirror/. I could not ope the bz2 file
from
Post by Marco Francesco
this link so I downloaded the zip file instead. I assume they are
different
Post by Marco Francesco
compressed versions of same original file.
I got stuck at: Configure the Fludisynth Sound element to use the
JackRouter
Post by Marco Francesco
device. How is that done? JackRouter does not feature in the dropdown
lists.
Post by Marco Francesco
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Marco Francesco
2011-04-13 10:46:38 UTC
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Hi Graham,

When I start JackPortAudio, a black screen appears for half a second and
disappears. I cannot see what it says!

Marco
Post by Graham Goode
Hi Marco,
If JackRouter is not showing in the Audio Device property when
portaudio is selected as the Audio Driver then we need to troubleshoot
the Jack PortAudio audio server startup. Start Jack PortAudio, then
start Jack Control, and let me know what Jack Control reports (i.e.
Active, blinking RT, 48000 Hz, etc).
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Graham Goode
2011-04-13 10:57:23 UTC
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Hi Marco,

Ok, open a Command Prompt (Start > Accessories > Command Prompt

The run

cd "C:\Program Files (x86)\Jack v1.9.7\"
jackd.exe -R -S -d portaudio -d "ASIO::ASIO4ALL v2"

(You can copy from this email, then right click on the command prompt
window and select paste)

Then let me know what it says...
Hi Graham,
When I start JackPortAudio, a black screen appears for half a second and
disappears. I cannot see what it says!
Marco
Post by Graham Goode
Hi Marco,
If JackRouter is not showing in the Audio Device property when
portaudio is selected as the Audio Driver then we need to troubleshoot
the Jack PortAudio audio server startup. Start Jack PortAudio, then
start Jack Control, and let me know what Jack Control reports (i.e.
Active, blinking RT, 48000 Hz, etc).
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Marco Francesco
2011-04-13 11:46:04 UTC
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C:\Program Files (x86)\Jack v1.9.7>jackd.exe -R -S -d portaudio -d
"ASIO::ASIO4A
LL v2"
jackdmp 1.9.7
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2011 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
jack_get_descriptor : dll is not a driver, err = 127
jack_get_descriptor returns null for 'audioadapter.dll'
jack_get_descriptor : dll is not a driver, err = 127
jack_get_descriptor returns null for 'netadapter.dll'
jack_get_descriptor : dll is not a driver, err = 127
jack_get_descriptor returns null for 'netmanager.dll'
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
Cannot lock down memory area (No error)
Pa_OpenStream error = Invalid sample rate
Can't open default PortAudio device : Invalid sample rate
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open() failed with -1
Cannot unlock down memory area (No error)
Failed to open server

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Marco Francesco
2011-04-13 11:42:51 UTC
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I managed to get a screen shot. See file attached.
Loading Image...
Jack_error.jpg

Marco

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Graham Goode
2011-04-13 11:46:09 UTC
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Hi Marco,

Thanks for the screen shot. It shows an invalid sample rate error, so
modify the command with the rate setting, making it:

jackd.exe -R -S -d portaudio -d "ASIO::ASIO4ALL v2" -r 48000

Let me know the outcome.

GrahamG
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I managed to get a screen shot. See file attached.
http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/file/n3446911/Jack_error.jpg
Jack_error.jpg
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Marco Francesco
2011-04-13 11:52:16 UTC
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I added the -r 48000 to the "target" command line.

Same error in jOrgan's problem window.

Marco

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Graham Goode
2011-04-13 11:55:46 UTC
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Hi Marco,

One step at a time.... you shouldn't be looking at jOrgan yet.

Does the new setting allow Jack to start successfully?

GrahamG
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I added the -r 48000 to the "target" command line.
Same error in jOrgan's problem window.
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Marco Francesco
2011-04-13 22:10:34 UTC
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Hi Graham,

Excuse the delay. I am not at home and haven't got the laptop with me. What
is supposed to happen?

Marco
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Hi Marco,
One step at a time.... you shouldn't be looking at jOrgan yet.
Does the new setting allow Jack to start successfully?
GrahamG
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I added the -r 48000 to the "target" command line.
Same error in jOrgan's problem window.
Marco
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2011-04-13 22:13:40 UTC
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Also:

Jack Control opens if I double click on it. There was/is no issue with that.

Double clicking JackPortAudio results in a brief appearance of the cmd promp
wndow - nothing else happens.

Marco

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Marco Francesco
2011-04-14 02:16:03 UTC
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Graham,

I installed the 64x version and did so in the Program Files (not Program
Files (x84) as indicated by the setup). Is this ok?

Do I need to make any changes to target?

What would I need to do regarding this:

"- installs 64 bits version JackRouter64.dll ASIO/jack bridge
(Warning: unfortunately the installed does not correctly register the
dll. The "regsvr32" tool located in C:/Windows/System32 has to be used
to manually install the dll.)" ?

Should I uninstall the previous installation or should we continue
troubleshooting?

Marco



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Marco Francesco
2011-04-14 02:25:18 UTC
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I tried running JackPortAudio. It does not crash; even JackConsol opens
without any errors reported but jOrgan would not load. It crashes and shuts
down almost instantly. A report appears on the desktop (attached).

I configured JPA target similar to what we did with the 32 bit version but
there was no improvement.

http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/file/n3448625/hs_err_pid1608.log
hs_err_pid1608.log

Marco

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DellAnderson
2011-04-14 04:10:31 UTC
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Marco,
I must say I am in the same boat as you. Bravely installed Jack, PortAudio,
and Asio4All on my XP Pro Sp3. Miraculously Sagrada Familia 2.1 jOrgan
3.12.1 appears to work 'out of the box', but I cannot configure it
Fluidsynth, Jack, or Port Audio.

I DID get GrandOrgue to 'see' the Asio4all audio driver, but attempting to
do so with jOrgan/Jack has been a no go. I once was given the coordinates
to teleport into GrahamG's instructions for setting up
Fluidsynth/Asio4All/Jack (if memory serves, it was on the Sourceforge wiki)
but I do not find any link to those instructions in the index so I am going
by weak memory and trial and error.

Screen captures of the various windows I have running follow:
Loading Image... (note
no errors but unable to reserve memory)
Loading Image...
Loading Image... (note
no Jack visible)
Loading Image...
(note no asio4all driver)
Loading Image... (note my
creative card appears to be connected elsewhere)

I can't really tell any difference in sound quality - yet, but have not been
able to do side by side comparison with headphones or decent speakers.
Will do that once I can reliably configure my cards with jack

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Graham Goode
2011-04-14 06:30:00 UTC
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Hi Guys,

If the Jack PortAudio target command is correctly configured for your
soundcard/sound device, the command prompt window that opens when
starting Jack PortAudio will remain open and report something along
the lines that the Jack server is starting in realtime mode, Cannot
lock down memory area (No error), and remain open.

If your Jack PortAudio command prompt Window is closing after running
it, then the command in the target is not correctly configured. This
is where you work with me until we have the command prompt window
staying open... :)

Until the Jack server is running, JackRouter will not be available, etc...

@ Marco - I'm waiting to hear that you have a Jack PortAudio command
prompt correctly opening and staying open. Then we'll double check
things with Jack Control before moving on to jOrgan

@Dell, from your screencaps it looks like Jack is running fine. Your
jOrgan screencap tells me that you are running a jOrgan version that
does not have the PortAudio ASIO fluidsynth extension correctly
installed. Could you make sure that all the files in the ZIP ended up
in the correct places? If you need more help with this just let me
know.

Kind regards
GrahamG
Marco Francesco
2011-04-14 08:06:03 UTC
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Graham & Erik,

I got some success with the latest 64x JackPortAudio but NOT with the older
32x.

Marco

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Graham Goode
2011-04-14 08:10:48 UTC
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Hi Marco,

I'm glad to hear of your success. There was an issue identified with
the 32-bit version that has now been fixed, so please download the
installer again (same link) and give it another test.

Kind regards,
GrahamG
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Graham & Erik,
I got some success with the latest 64x JackPortAudio but NOT with the older
32x.
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Marco Francesco
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Graham,

I installed revised Jack 1.9.7 over old one; altered target (without the
-48000); got new error. This error will not close quickly, eventually doing
so after several OKs each time getting another message on the cmd prompt
screen:

http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/file/n3449239/jack_error_2.psd
jack_error_2.psd

Marco

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Graham Goode
2011-04-14 10:32:51 UTC
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Hi Marco,

Did you un-install Jack 1.9.8 before installing 1.9.7? If not, then do
so now. Then re-install Jack 1.9.7.

If you did un-install 1.9.8 before re-installing 1.9.7 then did you
let the VC++ 2008 redistributable run in Repair mode? If not,
re-install Jack 1.9.7 and run the repair now.

If you did un-install 1.9.8, and you did the VC++ 2008 repair, then
re-install 1.9.7 again now anyway to see if that helps...

It looks like you are getting a crash because the
fluidsynth-portuaudio-asio driver can't find jackrouter (libjack.dll).

Let me know what you did, and if any of these suggestions makes a difference

GrahamG
Graham,
I installed revised Jack 1.9.7 over old one; altered target (without the
-48000); got new error. This error will not close quickly, eventually doing
so after several OKs each time getting another message on the cmd prompt
http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/file/n3449239/jack_error_2.psd
jack_error_2.psd
Marco
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Graham,

I uninstalled both Jacks (the 1.9.7 and 1.9.8).
I installed the revise 1.9.7 in Program Files (86x) folder.
I chose repair of Visual what-ever-it-is.
I get the dll errors still! (err = 127 etc etc)

Marco
Post by Graham Goode
Hi Marco,
Did you un-install Jack 1.9.8 before installing 1.9.7? If not, then do
so now. Then re-install Jack 1.9.7.
If you did un-install 1.9.8 before re-installing 1.9.7 then did you
let the VC++ 2008 redistributable run in Repair mode? If not,
re-install Jack 1.9.7 and run the repair now.
If you did un-install 1.9.8, and you did the VC++ 2008 repair, then
re-install 1.9.7 again now anyway to see if that helps...
It looks like you are getting a crash because the
fluidsynth-portuaudio-asio driver can't find jackrouter (libjack.dll).
Let me know what you did, and if any of these suggestions makes a difference
GrahamG
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2011-04-14 10:28:28 UTC
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And if I try to open jOrgan 3.13.6 (ASIO) 32x version, I get:

#
# A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
#
# EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x665a5760, pid=8052,
tid=8236
#
# JRE version: 6.0_24-b07
# Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (19.1-b02 mixed mode, sharing
windows-x86 )
# Problematic frame:
# C [libjack.dll+0xa5760]
#
# If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
# http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp
# The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code.
# See problematic frame for where to report the bug.
#

--------------- T H R E A D ---------------

Current thread (0x0488e800): JavaThread "AWT-EventQueue-0"
[_thread_in_native, id=8236, stack(0x04ec0000,0x04f10000)]

siginfo: ExceptionCode=0xc0000005, writing address 0x00000001

Registers:
EAX=0x00000001, EBX=0x00000001, ECX=0x00000000, EDX=0x04f0ecf0
ESP=0x04f0ecd4, EBP=0x04f0ee60, ESI=0x0051f330, EDI=0x00001f74
EIP=0x665a5760, EFLAGS=0x00010202

Register to memory mapping:

EAX=0x00000001
0x00000001 is pointing to unknown location

EBX=0x00000001
0x00000001 is pointing to unknown location

ECX=0x00000000
0x00000000 is pointing to unknown location

EDX=0x04f0ecf0
0x04f0ecf0 is pointing into the stack for thread: 0x0488e800
"AWT-EventQueue-0" prio=6 tid=0x0488e800 nid=0x202c runnable [0x04f0e000]
java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE

ESP=0x04f0ecd4
0x04f0ecd4 is pointing into the stack for thread: 0x0488e800
"AWT-EventQueue-0" prio=6 tid=0x0488e800 nid=0x202c runnable [0x04f0e000]
java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE

EBP=0x04f0ee60
0x04f0ee60 is pointing into the stack for thread: 0x0488e800
"AWT-EventQueue-0" prio=6 tid=0x0488e800 nid=0x202c runnable [0x04f0e000]
java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE

ESI=0x0051f330
0x0051f330 is pointing to unknown location

EDI=0x00001f74
0x00001f74 is pointing to unknown location


Top of Stack: (sp=0x04f0ecd4)
0x04f0ecd4: 097e1e41 00000001 04f0ee68 04f0ee60
0x04f0ece4: 00000000 00000000 6176616a 00000000
0x04f0ecf4: 3165ea00 04f0ed1c 75945987 09690cb4
0x04f0ed04: 00000000 00000001 00000000 00000001
0x04f0ed14: 04f0ed40 00000000 04f0ed4c 75945940
0x04f0ed24: 09690cb4 00000000 00000001 00000000
0x04f0ed34: 00000001 04f0ed40 09690cb0 09690cb4
0x04f0ed44: 0051f330 00000000 0024d7a8 10009a1d

Instructions: (pc=0x665a5760)
0x665a5750: 00 00 00 00 9c 26 5a 66 b0 0d 53 66 80 0d 53 66
0x665a5760: 00 00 00 00 a4 26 5a 66 10 0f 53 66 e0 0e 53 66


Stack: [0x04ec0000,0x04f10000], sp=0x04f0ecd4, free space=315k
Native frames: (J=compiled Java code, j=interpreted, Vv=VM code, C=native
code)
C [libjack.dll+0xa5760]

Java frames: (J=compiled Java code, j=interpreted, Vv=VM code)
j
jorgan.fluidsynth.Fluidsynth.init(Ljava/lang/String;IIIFLjava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;IIFFFFF)Ljava/nio/ByteBuffer;+0
j
jorgan.fluidsynth.Fluidsynth.(Ljava/lang/String;IIIFLjava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;II)V+144
j jorgan.fluidsynth.play.FluidsynthSoundPlayer.createSynth()V+63
j jorgan.fluidsynth.play.FluidsynthSoundPlayer.update()V+57
j jorgan.play.OrganPlay.createPlayer(Ljorgan/disposition/Element;)V+27
j
jorgan.play.OrganPlay.(Ljorgan/disposition/Organ;Ljorgan/problem/ElementProblems;Ljorgan/time/Clock;)V+131
j
jorgan.play.OrganPlaySessionProvider$1.(Ljorgan/play/OrganPlaySessionProvider;Ljorgan/disposition/Organ;Ljorgan/problem/ElementProblems;Ljorgan/time/Clock;Ljorgan/session/OrganSession;)V+16
j
jorgan.play.OrganPlaySessionProvider.create(Ljorgan/session/OrganSession;Ljava/lang/Class;)Ljava/lang/Object;+43
j
jorgan.session.spi.SessionRegistry.create(Ljorgan/session/OrganSession;Ljava/lang/Class;)Ljava/lang/Object;+34
j
jorgan.session.OrganSession.lookup(Ljava/lang/Class;)Ljava/lang/Object;+17
j
jorgan.play.OrganPlaySessionProvider.init(Ljorgan/session/OrganSession;)V+4
j
jorgan.session.spi.SessionRegistry.init(Ljorgan/session/OrganSession;)V+33
j jorgan.session.OrganSession.(Ljava/io/File;)V+116
j jorgan.gui.OrganFrame.openOrgan(Ljava/io/File;)V+10
j jorgan.gui.GUI$FileInit.run()V+8
j java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch()V+11
j
java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(Ljava/awt/AWTEvent;Ljava/lang/Object;)V+21
j
java.awt.EventQueue.access$000(Ljava/awt/EventQueue;Ljava/awt/AWTEvent;Ljava/lang/Object;)V+3
j java.awt.EventQueue$1.run()Ljava/lang/Void;+12
j java.awt.EventQueue$1.run()Ljava/lang/Object;+1
v ~StubRoutines::call_stub
j
java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Ljava/security/PrivilegedAction;Ljava/security/AccessControlContext;)Ljava/lang/Object;+0
j
java.security.AccessControlContext$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Ljava/security/PrivilegedAction;Ljava/security/AccessControlContext;Ljava/security/AccessControlContext;)Ljava/lang/Object;+28
j java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Ljava/awt/AWTEvent;)V+46
j java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(I)Z+204
j
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(ILjava/awt/Conditional;Ljava/awt/EventFilter;)V+30
j
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(ILjava/awt/Conditional;Ljava/awt/Component;)V+11
j java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(ILjava/awt/Conditional;)V+4
j java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Ljava/awt/Conditional;)V+3
j java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run()V+9
v ~StubRoutines::call_stub

--------------- P R O C E S S ---------------

Java Threads: ( => current thread )
0x0780dc00 JavaThread "jOrgan Clock" [_thread_blocked, id=8244,
stack(0x07620000,0x07670000)]
0x076e3800 JavaThread "TimerQueue" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=3280,
stack(0x07bd0000,0x07c20000)]
0x04904800 JavaThread "Image Fetcher 2" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=5664,
stack(0x07b40000,0x07b90000)]
0x04900800 JavaThread "Image Fetcher 1" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=7884,
stack(0x07ab0000,0x07b00000)]
0x048f0800 JavaThread "D3D Screen Updater" daemon [_thread_blocked,
id=6176, stack(0x07590000,0x075e0000)]
0x0489a800 JavaThread "Image Fetcher 3" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=5448,
stack(0x05380000,0x053d0000)]
=>0x0488e800 JavaThread "AWT-EventQueue-0" [_thread_in_native, id=8236,
stack(0x04ec0000,0x04f10000)]
0x0488c000 JavaThread "AWT-Windows" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=7520,
stack(0x04d30000,0x04d80000)]
0x0488a800 JavaThread "AWT-Shutdown" [_thread_blocked, id=8424,
stack(0x04ca0000,0x04cf0000)]
0x0488a000 JavaThread "Java2D Disposer" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=8268,
stack(0x04c10000,0x04c60000)]
0x00979800 JavaThread "Low Memory Detector" daemon [_thread_blocked,
id=8260, stack(0x04630000,0x04680000)]
0x0096cc00 JavaThread "CompilerThread0" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=8348,
stack(0x045a0000,0x045f0000)]
0x0096bc00 JavaThread "Attach Listener" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=6344,
stack(0x04510000,0x04560000)]
0x00968c00 JavaThread "Signal Dispatcher" daemon [_thread_blocked,
id=8108, stack(0x04480000,0x044d0000)]
0x00961400 JavaThread "Finalizer" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=8392,
stack(0x043f0000,0x04440000)]
0x0095c800 JavaThread "Reference Handler" daemon [_thread_blocked,
id=8072, stack(0x04360000,0x043b0000)]
0x00a39000 JavaThread "main" [_thread_blocked, id=6432,
stack(0x00430000,0x00480000)]

Other Threads:
0x00920400 VMThread [stack: 0x042d0000,0x04320000] [id=8780]
0x00994800 WatcherThread [stack: 0x046c0000,0x04710000] [id=8276]

VM state:not at safepoint (normal execution)

VM Mutex/Monitor currently owned by a thread: None

Heap
def new generation total 4928K, used 1916K [0x24530000, 0x24a80000,
0x29a80000)
eden space 4416K, 39% used [0x24530000, 0x246e4500, 0x24980000)
from space 512K, 33% used [0x24a00000, 0x24a2abb0, 0x24a80000)
to space 512K, 0% used [0x24980000, 0x24980000, 0x24a00000)
tenured generation total 10944K, used 7815K [0x29a80000, 0x2a530000,
0x34530000)
the space 10944K, 71% used [0x29a80000, 0x2a221f38, 0x2a222000,
0x2a530000)
compacting perm gen total 12288K, used 4041K [0x34530000, 0x35130000,
0x38530000)
the space 12288K, 32% used [0x34530000, 0x34922680, 0x34922800,
0x35130000)
ro space 10240K, 51% used [0x38530000, 0x38a5cf58, 0x38a5d000,
0x38f30000)
rw space 12288K, 54% used [0x38f30000, 0x395c8f50, 0x395c9000,
0x39b30000)

Dynamic libraries:
0x00400000 - 0x00424000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\java.exe
0x777c0000 - 0x77940000 C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll
0x76fa0000 - 0x770a0000 C:\Windows\syswow64\kernel32.dll
0x757a0000 - 0x757e6000 C:\Windows\syswow64\KERNELBASE.dll
0x64d00000 - 0x64d33000 C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast5\snxhk.dll
0x770a0000 - 0x77140000 C:\Windows\syswow64\ADVAPI32.dll
0x75490000 - 0x7553c000 C:\Windows\syswow64\msvcrt.dll
0x757f0000 - 0x75809000 C:\Windows\SysWOW64\sechost.dll
0x75540000 - 0x75630000 C:\Windows\syswow64\RPCRT4.dll
0x75330000 - 0x75390000 C:\Windows\syswow64\SspiCli.dll
0x75320000 - 0x7532c000 C:\Windows\syswow64\CRYPTBASE.dll
0x7c340000 - 0x7c396000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\msvcr71.dll
0x6d7f0000 - 0x6da96000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\client\jvm.dll
0x75390000 - 0x75490000 C:\Windows\syswow64\USER32.dll
0x75680000 - 0x75710000 C:\Windows\syswow64\GDI32.dll
0x75630000 - 0x7563a000 C:\Windows\syswow64\LPK.dll
0x75a50000 - 0x75aed000 C:\Windows\syswow64\USP10.dll
0x74550000 - 0x74582000 C:\Windows\system32\WINMM.dll
0x76f40000 - 0x76fa0000 C:\Windows\system32\IMM32.DLL
0x76c40000 - 0x76d0c000 C:\Windows\syswow64\MSCTF.dll
0x73540000 - 0x7358b000 C:\Windows\system32\apphelp.dll
0x6d7a0000 - 0x6d7ac000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\verify.dll
0x6d320000 - 0x6d33f000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\java.dll
0x6d280000 - 0x6d288000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\hpi.dll
0x75af0000 - 0x75af5000 C:\Windows\syswow64\PSAPI.DLL
0x6d7e0000 - 0x6d7ef000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\zip.dll
0x6d600000 - 0x6d613000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\net.dll
0x75640000 - 0x75675000 C:\Windows\syswow64\WS2_32.dll
0x76750000 - 0x76756000 C:\Windows\syswow64\NSI.dll
0x750a0000 - 0x750dc000 C:\Windows\system32\mswsock.dll
0x735c0000 - 0x735c6000 C:\Windows\System32\wship6.dll
0x6d620000 - 0x6d629000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\nio.dll
0x6d000000 - 0x6d14a000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\awt.dll
0x75150000 - 0x751a1000 C:\Windows\system32\WINSPOOL.DRV
0x758f0000 - 0x75a4c000 C:\Windows\syswow64\ole32.dll
0x74850000 - 0x749ee000
C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7600.16661_none_420fe3fa2b8113bd\COMCTL32.dll
0x77360000 - 0x773b7000 C:\Windows\syswow64\SHLWAPI.dll
0x71b80000 - 0x71b93000 C:\Windows\system32\DWMAPI.DLL
0x71ba0000 - 0x71c20000 C:\Windows\system32\uxtheme.dll
0x648b0000 - 0x648be000
C:\ProgramData\Real\RealPlayer\BrowserRecordPlugin\Chrome\Hook\rpchromebrowserrecordhelper.dll
0x74ee0000 - 0x74f83000
C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.5570_none_509463cabcb6ef2a\MSVCR90.dll
0x75b00000 - 0x76749000 C:\Windows\syswow64\SHELL32.dll
0x74e50000 - 0x74ede000
C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.5570_none_509463cabcb6ef2a\MSVCP90.dll
0x71cb0000 - 0x71d08000 C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\microsoft
shared\ink\tiptsf.dll
0x75710000 - 0x7579f000 C:\Windows\syswow64\OLEAUT32.dll
0x75240000 - 0x75249000 C:\Windows\system32\version.dll
0x6d230000 - 0x6d27f000 C:\Program Files
(x86)\Java(32)1.6.24\jre6\bin\fontmanager.dll
0x658d0000 - 0x65a93000 C:\Windows\system32\d3d9.dll
0x74cc0000 - 0x74cc6000 C:\Windows\system32\d3d8thk.dll
0x607e0000 - 0x60add000 C:\Windows\system32\atiumdag.dll
0x5d740000 - 0x5da14000 C:\Windows\system32\atiumdva.dll
0x76bb0000 - 0x76c33000 C:\Windows\syswow64\CLBCatQ.DLL
0x73480000 - 0x734bc000 C:\Windows\system32\oleacc.dll
0x6a300000 - 0x6a323000 C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6
(ASIO)\lib\libintl-8.dll
0x685c0000 - 0x686b0000 C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6
(ASIO)\lib\libglib-2.0-0.dll
0x65c40000 - 0x65c4e000 C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6
(ASIO)\lib\libgthread-2.0-0.dll
0x10000000 - 0x1002b000 C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6
(ASIO)\lib\portaudio_x86.dll
0x094b0000 - 0x09553000 C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6
(ASIO)\lib\libfluidsynth.dll
0x72030000 - 0x720a2000 C:\Windows\system32\DSOUND.dll
0x735d0000 - 0x735f5000 C:\Windows\system32\POWRPROF.dll
0x769b0000 - 0x76b4d000 C:\Windows\syswow64\SETUPAPI.dll
0x76d10000 - 0x76d37000 C:\Windows\syswow64\CFGMGR32.dll
0x76860000 - 0x76872000 C:\Windows\syswow64\DEVOBJ.dll
0x746f0000 - 0x7478b000
C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc80.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_8.0.50727.4927_none_d08a205e442db5b5\MSVCR80.dll
0x6f080000 - 0x6f09a000 C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6
(ASIO)\lib\fluidsynthJNI.dll
0x6a1a0000 - 0x6a1d9000 C:\Windows\System32\MMDevApi.dll
0x72620000 - 0x72715000 C:\Windows\System32\PROPSYS.dll
0x096a0000 - 0x097d3000 C:\Program Files (x86)\ASIO4ALL v2\asio4all.dll
0x6a150000 - 0x6a154000 C:\Windows\system32\KSUSER.dll
0x758c0000 - 0x758ed000 C:\Windows\syswow64\WINTRUST.dll
0x76890000 - 0x769ac000 C:\Windows\syswow64\CRYPT32.dll
0x76880000 - 0x7688c000 C:\Windows\syswow64\MSASN1.dll
0x097e0000 - 0x097e8000 c:\program files (x86)\jack v1.9.7\jackrouter.dll
0x66500000 - 0x668df000 C:\Windows\system32\libjack.dll
0x63ae0000 - 0x63b46000 C:\Windows\system32\MSVCP60.dll

VM Arguments:
java_command: C:\Program Files (x86)\jOrgan 3.13.6 (ASIO)\jorgan.jar
Launcher Type: SUN_STANDARD

Environment Variables:
CLASSPATH=.;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\lib\ext\QTJava.zip
PATH=C:\Program Files (x86)\PC Connectivity Solution\;C:\Program
Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files
(x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows
Live;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program
Files (x86)\Windows Live\Shared;C:\Program Files (x86)\Samsung\Samsung PC
Studio 3\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\AGL;C:\Program Files
(x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\
USERNAME=Marco

Marco

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2011-04-14 10:32:49 UTC
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Sorry guys.... that continues as follows:


OS=Windows_NT
PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER=Intel64 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10, GenuineIntel



--------------- S Y S T E M ---------------

OS: Windows 7 Build 7600

CPU:total 2 (2 cores per cpu, 1 threads per core) family 6 model 23 stepping
10, cmov, cx8, fxsr, mmx, sse, sse2, sse3, ssse3, sse4.1

Memory: 4k page, physical 4189108k(1917048k free), swap 10469452k(7853512k
free)

vm_info: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (19.1-b02) for windows-x86 JRE
(1.6.0_24-b07), built on Feb 2 2011 17:44:41 by "java_re" with MS VC++ 7.1
(VS2003)

time: Thu Apr 14 12:24:57 2011
elapsed time: 4 seconds
_____________________________________

May I please remind you that I currently have jackPortaudio 1.9.7 (32x) as
well as JackPortaudio 1.9.8 (64x) installed.



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Graham Goode
2011-04-14 10:34:48 UTC
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Hi Marco,

You cannot run both Jack versions at the same time. The jackrouter is
registered windows device.

GrahamG
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OS=Windows_NT
PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER=Intel64 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10, GenuineIntel
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OS: Windows 7 Build 7600
CPU:total 2 (2 cores per cpu, 1 threads per core) family 6 model 23 stepping
10, cmov, cx8, fxsr, mmx, sse, sse2, sse3, ssse3, sse4.1
Memory: 4k page, physical 4189108k(1917048k free), swap 10469452k(7853512k
free)
vm_info: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (19.1-b02) for windows-x86 JRE
(1.6.0_24-b07), built on Feb 2 2011 17:44:41 by "java_re" with MS VC++ 7.1
(VS2003)
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May I please remind you that I currently have jackPortaudio 1.9.7 (32x) as
well as JackPortaudio 1.9.8 (64x) installed.
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2011-04-14 15:12:00 UTC
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Graham,

One of the "confusions" with your new drivers seems to be that you have to install one or
the other, but cannot install or use both concurrently.

Would it be possible to consolidate both the ASIO and the WDM/KS drivers into a SINGLE
package? I would imagine that in order to do this Sven might have to make some code
changes for the Fluidsynth extension's "Audio device" properties option selector.

Specifically, when the user selects "portaudio" in the jOrgan Fluidsynth "Audio driver"
property drop-down, cause the "Audio device" property drop-down selector to show all
possible WDM/KS choices as well as all possible ASIO choices. Then, when the user selects
a WDM/KS device, the portaudio .dll for WDM/KS is loaded, and when an ASIO interface is
selected, the portaudio .dll for ASIO is loaded.

CLW
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Post by Graham Goode
@Dell, from your screencaps it looks like Jack is running fine. Your
jOrgan screencap tells me that you are running a jOrgan version that
does not have the PortAudio ASIO fluidsynth extension correctly
installed. Could you make sure that all the files in the ZIP ended up
in the correct places? If you need more help with this just let me
know.
orgel jeux
2011-04-14 16:01:36 UTC
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Lynn,

I am strongly in favour of this; the handling of jOrgan gets more
professional, so that "dummy's " like me do not need tocopy and paste, or
rename internal working files........

Not to mention the lots of times that I erratically report problems becasue
of stupid things i do over here in my hurry to discover all the new things
that happen.....


O. BTW: when walking the dog this morning, I thought about your remark,
that it seems that the new drivers need different names in order to see all
available outputs.

BUT: just because it sees my EMU0404 driver with a general name something
like EMU0404USB, it cannot do that.
Other software sees it as EMU0404channel1/2, EMU0404channel3/4 or something
like that.

So it seems that not all the drivers from the different manucaturors are
read properly by the portaudio driver(s)

Greetings,

Geert
Graham,
One of the "confusions" with your new drivers seems to be that you have to install one or
the other, but cannot install or use both concurrently.
Would it be possible to consolidate both the ASIO and the WDM/KS drivers into a SINGLE
package? I would imagine that in order to do this Sven might have to make some code
changes for the Fluidsynth extension's "Audio device" properties option selector.
Specifically, when the user selects "portaudio" in the jOrgan Fluidsynth "Audio driver"
property drop-down, cause the "Audio device" property drop-down selector to show all
possible WDM/KS choices as well as all possible ASIO choices. Then, when the user selects
a WDM/KS device, the portaudio .dll for WDM/KS is loaded, and when an ASIO interface is
selected, the portaudio .dll for ASIO is loaded.
CLW
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@Dell, from your screencaps it looks like Jack is running fine. Your
jOrgan screencap tells me that you are running a jOrgan version that
does not have the PortAudio ASIO fluidsynth extension correctly
installed. Could you make sure that all the files in the ZIP ended up
in the correct places? If you need more help with this just let me
know.
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2011-04-14 16:09:51 UTC
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As I remarked in a previous post, the PortAudio developers need to make some improvements
in the program logic that they use to discover and enumerate ALL the compatible and
eligible audio devices, regardless of the "friendly" names presented by their respective
device drivers.

CLW
------------------------------------------------------------
BUT: just because it sees my EMU0404 driver with a general name something like
EMU0404USB, it cannot do that.
Other software sees it as EMU0404channel1/2, EMU0404channel3/4 or something like that.
So it seems that not all the drivers from the different manucaturors are read properly by
the portaudio driver(s)
Graham Goode
2011-04-14 17:49:56 UTC
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Hi Lynn,

It is possible to create one PortAudio dll with dsound, WDMKS/WaveRT,
ASIO, and WASAPI drivers all together. The reason that I have
separated them is so that we could evaluate and test the individual
drivers and get some idea of what the limitations are. Which I think
we have done quite well.

The one issue with a combined drivers version is that the device
labels do not say what driver they belong to (as you have noted). So
you get a list of what seems to be many audio devices which are
in-fact just one device, with many driver interfaces. I think this
issue needs to be addressed (like having dsound: Name_of_SoundCard,
WDMKS: Name_of_SoundCard, ASIO: Name_of_SoundCard, etc.... so that it
is less confusing for us.

Kind regards,
GrahamG
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As I remarked in a previous post, the PortAudio developers need to make some improvements
in the program logic that they use to discover and enumerate ALL the compatible and
eligible audio devices, regardless of the "friendly" names presented by their respective
device drivers.
CLW
------------------------------------------------------------
BUT: just because it sees my EMU0404 driver with a general name something like
EMU0404USB, it cannot do that.
Other software sees it as EMU0404channel1/2, EMU0404channel3/4 or something like that.
So it seems that not all the drivers from the different manucaturors are read properly by
the portaudio driver(s)
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Marco,Do not repair visual 2008++ !On this window choose cancel and say yes (OK)Wait ! Another window appears. Microsoft Visual Studio 2010++.Repair this !After finnish installation.
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Graham,

I uninstalled both Jacks (the 1.9.7 and 1.9.8).
I installed the revise 1.9.7 in Program Files (86x) folder.
I chose repair of Visual what-ever-it-is.
I get the dll errors still! (err = 127 etc etc)

Marco
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Hi Marco,
Did you un-install Jack 1.9.8 before installing 1.9.7? If not, then do
so now. Then re-install Jack 1.9.7.
If you did un-install 1.9.8 before re-installing 1.9.7 then did you
let the VC++ 2008 redistributable run in Repair mode? If not,
re-install Jack 1.9.7 and run the repair now.
If you did un-install 1.9.8, and you did the VC++ 2008 repair, then
re-install 1.9.7 again now anyway to see if that helps...
It looks like you are getting a crash because the
fluidsynth-portuaudio-asio driver can't find jackrouter (libjack.dll).
Let me know what you did, and if any of these suggestions makes a
difference
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2011-04-14 11:33:55 UTC
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Panos,

If I remember well, there are only two options: Repair or uninstall. I
cannot cancel. I always chose repair.

Marco
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2010++.Repair this !After finnish installation.
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2011-04-14 11:37:38 UTC
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2011-04-14 11:52:34 UTC
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Hi,

Panos, Marco is currently dealing with 1.9.7.... which only has VC++ 2008.

GrahamG
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2011-04-14 12:12:08 UTC
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Hi Marco,

It sounds like there is still something remaining from the previous
installations :(

So, lets attempt these steps to see if we can solve it manually:

1) Open a command prompt (Start > Accessories > Command Prompt)
2) Change directories to your Jack installation (cd "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Jack v1.9.7")
3) De-register the jackrouter.dll (regsvr32 -u jackrouter.dll)
4) Re-register it (regsvr32 jackrouter.dll)
5) Run the Jack PortAudio icon again to see if that helped

If you receive any errors in step 3 or 4 let me know and do not
continue with the next step until that one is resolved.

Kind regards,
GrahamG
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Hi,
Panos, Marco is currently dealing with 1.9.7.... which only has VC++ 2008.
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2011-04-14 12:16:18 UTC
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Marco,

If this is what shows up in the command window, you are in excellent shape.

It means that jack server is working!
I get exactly the same when running jack v1.9.7 also.
Now you should be able to start Jack Audio Control Kit, the graphical
interface that allows you to make the connections to your sound card.
To do so go All programs/jack v1.9.7/Jack Control and click on it.
Let us know, prferably again with a picture, what you get.

You are on the right track, keep faith! ;-)

All the best.

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2011-04-14 12:23:53 UTC
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Hi Marco,

I just took a look at your last image, and I agree with Erik... that
is what we are expecting to see.

I thought that you were getting a 'cannot load dll' error message that
you had to click 'OK' on in order to proceed....

GrahamG
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Marco,
If this is what shows up in the command window, you are in excellent shape.
It means that jack server is working!
I get exactly the same when running jack v1.9.7 also.
Now you should be able to start Jack Audio Control Kit, the graphical
interface that allows you to make the connections to your sound card.
To do so go All programs/jack v1.9.7/Jack Control and click on it.
Let us know, prferably again with a picture, what you get.
You are on the right track, keep faith! ;-)
All the best.
Erik.
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Marco Francesco
2011-04-14 14:06:27 UTC
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Erik & Graham,

Thanks to you both. I followed the steps successfully and I get the same
screen. As I stated before, I can run Jack Control and get the GUI that
looks like a media player.

What next?

Marco

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2011-04-14 14:12:10 UTC
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Hi Erik, you like pictures, so here is one with my compliments:

Loading Image...

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
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Hello Marco,<br>
<br>
A few questions first:<br>
1) What sound card are you going to use that has an ASIO driver?<br>
2)What soundfont are you going to load in what disposition of jOrgan?<br>
This will tell us at what sample rate to set Jack Connection as well as
the fluidsynth extension in jOrgan; they have to match.<br>
<br>
3) Click on the setup button to open Jack Control setup, and if you
want to make it easy to help you, send a picture again.<br>
Here sample rate can be set, and also number of buffers and some other
parameters, but for the time being leave them as they are.<br>
4) Click on the Connect button, and a window opens showing 2 panes.<br>
Before loading a sounfont in jOrgan you will see "system" in both left
and right pane.<br>
- Left pane system are audio inputs; these could be line in or
microphone in, depending on your sound card.<br>
Make sure this one is not connected to anything now.<br>
- Right pane are your audio out channels. Clicking on the little arrow
next to (green) system, how many are shown?<br>
5) As soon as you have loaded a soundfont in jOrgan, go into construct
mode and open the fluidsynth extension.<br>
Is Audio driver showing portaudio? Now open Audio device, and select
Jackrouter.<br>
As soon as this happens, in Jack Control 's left pane an red instance
javaw should appear, and normally should automatically be connected to
the right pane system.<br>
If not connected, highlight javaw ans (green) system and click connect.<br>
<br>
Now you have connected jOrgan's FluidSynth extension to the audio
channels on your sound card.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://jackaudio.org/documentation">Here</a> is a lot of info
about using jack. And <a
href="http://www.webhostingwikipedia.com/tutorial-jack-audio-server-basic-explanation-install-and-setup/">here</a>
is a tutorial.<br>
<br>
Google is your friend; using it is bound to bring you to several other
places with perhaps ever better tutorials.<br>
It does not matter for which operating system they are intended, in
terms of setting up and using Jack Control there is no real difference.<br>
<br>
All the best.<br>
<br>
Erik.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Hi Erik,

1. Soundcard: Realtek; I am using a Acer Laptop similar to Panos'. Model
Aspire 5738PG Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 (2.2 GHz 800 MHz FSB); 4GB RAM; etc
2. Russel Organ (Panos Ghekas) with jOrgan 3.13.6 (32x - for ASIO); SR:
48000
Loading Image...
3. Loading Image...
4.& 5. Loading Image...

Hope I've answered all questions!

Marco
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Hello Marco,
1) What sound card are you going to use that has an ASIO driver?
2)What soundfont are you going to load in what disposition of jOrgan?
This will tell us at what sample rate to set Jack Connection as well as
the fluidsynth extension in jOrgan; they have to match.
3) Click on the setup button to open Jack Control setup, and if you
want to make it easy to help you, send a picture again.
Here sample rate can be set, and also number of buffers and some other
parameters, but for the time being leave them as they are.
4) Click on the Connect button, and a window opens showing 2 panes.
Before loading a sounfont in jOrgan you will see "system" in both left
and right pane.
- Left pane system are audio inputs; these could be line in or
microphone in, depending on your sound card.
Make sure this one is not connected to anything now.
- Right pane are your audio out channels. Clicking on the little arrow
next to (green) system, how many are shown?
5) As soon as you have loaded a soundfont in jOrgan, go into construct
mode and open the fluidsynth extension.
Is Audio driver showing portaudio? Now open Audio device, and select
Jackrouter.
As soon as this happens, in Jack Control 's left pane an red instance
javaw should appear, and normally should automatically be connected to
the right pane system.
If not connected, highlight javaw ans (green) system and click connect.
Now you have connected jOrgan's FluidSynth extension to the audio
channels on your sound card.
Erik.
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Marco,

Did you try point 5?
And if yes, did you obtain sound?
If not, see 3)

Some recommendations:

1) on picture 3 setup of Jack Control
- change the sample rate to 44100
- lower perhaps the value in Frames/period to get lower latency; 256 or
512 is suggested

2) picture 4/5 looks ok

3) load jOrgan and then Panos ' Russell.
What do you see happening in Jack control right pane?

All the best.

Erik.
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Hi Erik,
1. Soundcard: Realtek; I am using a Acer Laptop similar to Panos'. Model
Aspire 5738PG Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 (2.2 GHz 800 MHz FSB); 4GB RAM; etc
48000
http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/file/n3450201/Russel_dispo.jpg
3. http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/file/n3450201/Jack_AC_Kit.jpg
4.& 5. http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/file/n3450201/Jack_image_2.jpg
Hope I've answered all questions!
Marco
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Hello Marco,
1) What sound card are you going to use that has an ASIO driver?
2)What soundfont are you going to load in what disposition of jOrgan?
This will tell us at what sample rate to set Jack Connection as well as
the fluidsynth extension in jOrgan; they have to match.
3) Click on the setup button to open Jack Control setup, and if you
want to make it easy to help you, send a picture again.
Here sample rate can be set, and also number of buffers and some other
parameters, but for the time being leave them as they are.
4) Click on the Connect button, and a window opens showing 2 panes.
Before loading a sounfont in jOrgan you will see "system" in both left
and right pane.
- Left pane system are audio inputs; these could be line in or
microphone in, depending on your sound card.
Make sure this one is not connected to anything now.
- Right pane are your audio out channels. Clicking on the little arrow
next to (green) system, how many are shown?
5) As soon as you have loaded a soundfont in jOrgan, go into construct
mode and open the fluidsynth extension.
Is Audio driver showing portaudio? Now open Audio device, and select
Jackrouter.
As soon as this happens, in Jack Control 's left pane an red instance
javaw should appear, and normally should automatically be connected to
the right pane system.
If not connected, highlight javaw ans (green) system and click connect.
Now you have connected jOrgan's FluidSynth extension to the audio
channels on your sound card.
Erik.
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2011-04-15 01:28:47 UTC
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Erik & Graham,

I disconnected all connections that I created on Jack Audio Connection Kit.
I adjusted the Sample rate of Russell organ to 44100 and noticed the
addition of "Java" on the Jack ACK and the disappearance of that red x on
the Russell SF element.

No sound until I clicked on 1 of the 2 "out" (ie out1) and created
connections with the 6 "playbacks" in the right window A N D ....... M U S I
C !!!! I connected the second out (ie out2) and the sound seems louder.

I am using the jOrgan keyboard so far. I am still not sure about latency
benefits yet. It seems to me there is noticeable latency. Why? (Sorry
Panos.... but that's my experience on my system and playing just one note at
a time. I didn't experience that with dsound or even leaving driver and
device both blank!!). Sound is pretty good though on these tiny speakers. I
hope to check out things further later today.

I noticed there is a display of magnitude of latency in the Settings tab of
Jack ACK. It should a value of 42.7ms with Frames/Period 1024 and Sample
Rate 48000. Adjusting these to 16 and 192000 I brought the latency value to
0.167 ms! Periods/Buffer left at 2 (higher value increases latency).

When I close everything, how do I get all this going again without running
into problems? Certainly I would not try this on Easter Day church service
or indeed at any service until I am convinced the result is reproducible and
reproducible with ease. I am not confident in getting the whole set up, up
and running a second time.

Marco

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Erik De Schrijver
2011-04-15 08:30:36 UTC
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
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Hello Marco,<br>
<br>
Bravo! You made it.<br>
<br>
Marco Francesco wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:1302830927343-***@n4.nabble.com"
type="cite">
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When I close everything, how do I get all this going again without running
into problems? Certainly I would not try this on Easter Day church service
or indeed at any service until I am convinced the result is reproducible and
reproducible with ease. I am not confident in getting the whole set up, up
and running a second time.

Marco
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</blockquote>
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For that you will need to use the patchbay.<br>
<br>
A good document about this is available <a
href="http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/76#comment-1743">here</a> .<br>
<br>
All the best.<br>
<br>
Erik.<br>
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Panos Ghekas
2011-04-14 16:22:00 UTC
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OOOps ! sorry guysRoy has right, many things happen in last two days.... confusion is quite possible. 

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Hi,

Panos, Marco is currently dealing with 1.9.7.... which only has VC++ 2008.

GrahamG
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DellAnderson
2011-04-14 17:01:46 UTC
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Post by Graham Goode
@Dell, from your screencaps it looks like Jack is running fine. Your
jOrgan screencap tells me that you are running a jOrgan version that
does not have the PortAudio ASIO fluidsynth extension correctly
installed. Could you make sure that all the files in the ZIP ended up
in the correct places? If you need more help with this just let me
know. <<<

Ah, this must be the problem. I installed jOrgan 3.12.2 but did not
install any special extensions (some how I thought this was included like on
Linux).

I have checked the wiki Fluidsynth tutorial but still find no links to where
I might find this new PortAudio ASIO fluidsynth extension:
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Fluidsynth_extension
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Fluidsynth_extension

If someone would be kind enough to post a link, I will try and make up for
my obvious omission.

Thanks in advance,

Dell
PS - how do you guys have time to eat, sleep, or make a living? :-)

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Graham Goode
2011-04-14 18:06:14 UTC
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Hi Dell,

As the WDMKS and ASIO drivers are being provided for testing purposes,
and are not part of Sven's builds, I have created three new topics in
the Tutorials section to cater for those who wish to help with the
testing (and enjoyment of low latency).

See http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Tutorials
for the three links,

and http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Instructions_on_using_the_PortAudio_driver_in_the_Fluidsynth_Extension
for the specific topic with the downloads.

As to sleeping.... well, not a lot of that happening this week!

Kind regards,
GrahamG
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Post by Graham Goode
@Dell, from your screencaps it looks like Jack is running fine. Your
jOrgan screencap tells me that you are running a jOrgan version that
does not have the PortAudio ASIO fluidsynth extension correctly
installed. Could you make sure that all the files in the ZIP ended up
in the correct places? If you need more help with this just let me
know. <<<
Ah, this must be the problem. I installed jOrgan 3.12.2 but did not
install any special extensions (some how I thought this was included like on
Linux).
I have checked the wiki Fluidsynth tutorial but still find no links to where
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Fluidsynth_extension
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Fluidsynth_extension
If someone would be kind enough to post a link, I will try and make up for
my obvious omission.
Thanks in advance,
Dell
DellAnderson
2011-04-14 18:17:11 UTC
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Thanks, Graham! I missed that.
As for compilation with Visual Studio 2005, is that the cause of the
'repair' warning? Would there be any help if I were to compile with
Visual Studio 2008? Not that I know how, but I could with proper
prompting.

I chose repair when installing Jack, but no idea why, and frankly, it is a
bit unnerving so soon after just doing a massive MS vulnerability patch
(does the 'repair' undo the safety patch?)

best,

Dell

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Graham Goode
2011-04-14 18:32:32 UTC
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Hi Dell,

The 'repair' is in regard to the Jack for Windows installation, of
which I am only involved as a tester and user. Jack 1.9.7 was compiled
by Stephane Letz using the Microsoft VC++ 2008 compiler (not VS 2005,
my dlls for fluidsynth/portaudio have been compiled in VS 2005). When
installing Jack, the installer will automatically start the
installation of the Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable (i.e. the
dlls [code library files] that are need to run applications that were
built with that compiler). The installation detects if the VC++ 2008
files are already on your computer, and if they are then it gives you
the option to 'repair' the installation or uninstall it. Choosing
'repair' simply makes sure that those specific dll files are all still
where they need to be. It should do nothing else than make sure you
have those library files that are specific so that version of the VC++
compiler.

Jack 1.9.8 (which is being tested at the moment) has been compiled
with VC++ 2010 compiler, and during initial testing of the first few
versions that installer did not have the VC++ 2010 redistributable
installer (as both Stephane and my self were running Visual Studio
2010 on our test computers). Once we had a wider test base and were
installing on computers that did not have Visual Studio 2010 (that has
all the 2010 library files and more!), we identified that bug (those
dll files were missing and so Jack was not working) and Stephane made
the changes to remove the VC++ 2008 redistributable installer and put
in the one for 2010, which then allowed Jack 1.9.8 to work.

Basically a lot of technical jargon/hot air in this post, hope it
makes some sense :)

Kind regards,
GrahamG
Post by DellAnderson
Thanks, Graham! I missed that.
As for compilation with Visual Studio 2005, is that the cause of the
'repair' warning? Would there be any help if I were to compile with
Visual Studio 2008? Not that I know how, but I could with proper
prompting.
I chose repair when installing Jack, but no idea why, and frankly, it is a
bit unnerving so soon after just doing a massive MS vulnerability patch
(does the 'repair' undo the safety patch?)
best,
Dell
DellAnderson
2011-04-14 18:51:58 UTC
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Hi GrahamG,

Your explanation of the libraries issue is helpful, and if not completely
comforting, at least partially so (provided that the missing libraries
replaced are not security vulnerabilities intentionally removed earlier!)

I will try to redownload the Portaudio files later. I have renewed
confidence that this install is possible.

Once installed, I may rethink which computer to have this system installed
on.

best,

Dell

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2011-04-14 18:36:14 UTC
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OK, I downloaded
http://cid-c6dd879f60fadf98.office.live.com/self.aspx/jOrgan%20Fluidsynth/jOrgan-fluidsynth-1.11-win-x86-portaudio-ASIO.zip
but when I try to unzip, I get an error message:
Archive non readable; would you like to try a password?

And form entries for Password and key file.

Redownload - same result


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DellAnderson
2011-04-14 18:40:16 UTC
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For the record, the zip file I download is 61 kb

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Graham Goode
2011-04-14 18:43:34 UTC
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Oh for a Hosting Server that actually served!!!

Sigh.... sorry Dell, your download is incomplete, it should be around 828kb.

GrahamG
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For the record, the zip file I download is 61 kb
Roy Radford
2011-04-14 18:11:22 UTC
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Hi, Graham,

                   Nessum Dorma, to put it musically?  


       Have fun,

           Roy.


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Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] [TROUBLESHOOTING] ASIO4ALL Settings - WAS [ANN]new Russell for 3.13beta6 with Asio
To: jorgan-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Thursday, 14 April, 2011, 19:06

Hi Dell,

As the WDMKS and ASIO drivers are being provided for testing purposes,
and are not part of Sven's builds, I have created three new topics in
the Tutorials section to cater for those who wish to help with the
testing (and enjoyment of low latency).

See http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Tutorials
for the three links,

and http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Instructions_on_using_the_PortAudio_driver_in_the_Fluidsynth_Extension
for the specific topic with the downloads.

As to sleeping.... well, not a lot of that happening this week!

Kind regards,
GrahamG
Post by Graham Goode
Post by Graham Goode
@Dell, from your screencaps it looks like Jack is running fine. Your
jOrgan screencap tells me that you are running a jOrgan version that
does not have the PortAudio ASIO fluidsynth extension correctly
installed. Could you make sure that all the files in the ZIP ended up
in the correct places? If you need more help with this just let me
know. <<<
Ah, this must be the problem.   I installed jOrgan 3.12.2 but did not
install any special extensions (some how I thought this was included like on
Linux).
I have checked the wiki Fluidsynth tutorial but still find no links to where
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Fluidsynth_extension
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jorgan/index.php?title=Fluidsynth_extension
If someone would be kind enough to post a link, I will try and make up for
my obvious omission.
Thanks in advance,
Dell
Roy Radford
2011-04-14 18:26:51 UTC
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Hi, Dell,

             Is your jOrgan computer also used for general Internet activities? I always think it's best to avoid that if you can afford to dedicate a machine to jOrgan. It may be convenient put it on line briefly to download stuff, but keep it offline most of the time, and also not have any personal information, credit card stuff etc on it. That way security patches don't matter so much.

     Have fun,

         Roy.


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Date: Thursday, 14 April, 2011, 19:17

Thanks, Graham!  I missed that.
As for compilation with Visual Studio 2005, is that the cause of the
'repair' warning?    Would there be any help if I were to compile with
Visual Studio 2008?   Not that I know how, but I could with proper
prompting.

I chose repair when installing Jack, but no idea why, and frankly, it is a
bit unnerving so soon after just doing a massive MS vulnerability patch
(does the 'repair' undo the safety patch?)

best,

Dell

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2011-04-14 18:44:58 UTC
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Is your jOrgan computer also used for general Internet activities? I
always think it's best to avoid that if you can afford to dedicate a
machine to jOrgan. It may be convenient put it on line briefly to download
stuff, but keep it offline most of the time, and also not have any
personal information, credit card stuff etc on it. That way security
patches don't matter so much.
My jOrgan computer is a Puppy Linux stand alone. The one I am experimenting
with PortAudio is my general internet activities computer and yes, it is
connected to the internet. It is impractical for me to have more than the 4
desktops and 3 laptops I have currently, if for no other reason than
physical space constraints. Additionally, it is not really convenient to
download cutting edge software by sneaker net. If I had a dedicated
computer for each of my software hobbies, I would have to be an Apple store!
In summary, I much prefer software that does not require a house of cards
installation with outdated libraries ;-)


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2011-04-14 18:56:24 UTC
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   Ah, I didn't quite appreciate the scale of your computer activities!  

      Have fun,

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Date: Thursday, 14 April, 2011, 19:44
Post by Roy Radford
Is your jOrgan computer also used for general Internet activities? I
always think it's best to avoid that if you can afford to dedicate a
machine to jOrgan. It may be convenient put it on line briefly to download
stuff, but keep it offline most of the time, and also not have any
personal information, credit card stuff etc on it. That way security
patches don't matter so much.
My jOrgan computer is a Puppy Linux stand alone.  The one I am experimenting
with PortAudio is my general internet activities computer and yes, it is
connected to the internet.  It is impractical for me to have more than the 4
desktops and 3 laptops I have currently, if for no other reason than
physical space constraints.   Additionally, it is not really convenient to
download cutting edge software by sneaker net.  If I had a dedicated
computer for each of my software hobbies, I would have to be an Apple store! 
In summary, I much prefer software that does not require a house of cards
installation with outdated libraries  ;-)   


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DellAnderson
2011-04-14 19:04:12 UTC
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Ah, I didn't quite appreciate the scale of your computer activities!  
It's not hard to miss the breadth of interest given the (sometimes)
shallowness of my knowledge. Between 2D & 3D graphics, video, and
animation, audio, and database apps and various programming environments, as
well as a 'going paperless' office, not to mention Ubuntu and Puppy and MS
Windows XP, I dream of applications that 'play well' together and do not
expose my personal files attackers.

Of course, no one is more safety conscious than I, but to be truly secure,
the only way is to secure a safe deposit box large enough for a room full of
paperwork, and throw away the key. Very inconvenient though, so security
always has a cost benefit ratio for me.



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2011-04-14 19:33:40 UTC
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Ah - my problem was the corrupted fluidsynth extension download, which Graham
kindly emailed to me personally. I now have jOrgan 3.13 beta6 running with
Asio4all and the portaudio fluidsynth extension. Having had a taste of
reverb on my underpowered linux computer, I am very tempted to push forward
on reverb on this computer, but I do not have a convenient console
controller to motivate (my organ is in the other room and I draw the line at
moving this tower!)

Time will tell. Budget does not allow new hardware acquisition at the
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2011-04-14 20:00:38 UTC
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After some limited testing I seem only to have ability to add one Fluidsynth
to Segrada...so I moved on to Panos' Oberhausbergen organ.
Where...strangely, the Portaudio/Asio4All driver/device combo produced
latency which was way too long to be acceptable (as in half a second or so)
but the default dsound driver/creative driver was nearly instantaneous. I
mucked around with Buffer settings but could not solve this, so I guess I am
confused as to what the Portaudio driver can accomplish, at least on my
system.

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Panos Ghekas
2011-04-14 21:26:37 UTC
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Roy,This is the best solution to many problems with computers, thanks for posting.
Indeed best if one can have a dedicated jOrgan computer, I even go further and say with no Internet at all ! Download with the other, scan, clean if to, transfer with a stick or SD card to the dedicated machine.This way, opening task manager one would see a few apps eating precious memory needed for the organ/instrument ect, and no interference from net based programms all the time. Update this delete that, this is available, go now and the rest.So in a way I posted again, like a hardware instrument, not a general use computer.
Hmmm it's fun to get one this way !Panos

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2011-04-14 21:52:49 UTC
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Dell,
Obie here kills...... Joseph's samples are loud and clear, with straight Asio or with Jack/Asio, there's no latency, unless you didn't target Jack to Asio........(right click jackportaudio icon on desktop, properties, target, after portaudio type :-p 512 -d "ASIO::ASIO4ALL v.2", apply and OK.Open then Jack server with jackportaudio icon and you know the rest.
bestPanos
Thanks for choosing Obie......

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After some limited testing I seem only to have ability to add one Fluidsynth
to Segrada...so I moved on to Panos' Oberhausbergen organ. 
Where...strangely, the Portaudio/Asio4All driver/device combo produced
latency which was way too long to be acceptable (as in half a second or so)
but the default dsound driver/creative driver was nearly instantaneous.   I
mucked around with Buffer settings but could not solve this, so I guess I am
confused as to what the Portaudio driver can accomplish, at least on my
system.

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2011-04-14 22:33:19 UTC
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Dell,
Obie here kills...... Joseph's samples are loud and clear, with straight
Asio or with Jack/Asio, there's no latency, unless you didn't target Jack
to Asio........(right click jackportaudio icon on desktop, properties,
target, after portaudio type :-p 512 -d "ASIO::ASIO4ALL v.2", apply and
OK.Open then Jack server with jackportaudio icon and you know the rest.
bestPanos
Thanks for choosing Obie......
Thanks, Panos, but perhaps you misunderstood. I am not using Jack at all -
simply the PortAudio extension and targeting Obie's Fluidsynth in jOrgan to
PortAudio/Asio4All (rather than dsound or whatever). I have horrible
latency that way. If I go direct to dsound, I have almost no latency, which
is almost exactly opposite what I would expect.

Keep in mind, I am using an Edirol UM-1 MIDI-USB adapter which always seems
to add a LITTLE latency, but not enough to notice with the dsound option.
I think I am missing something crucial here.

best,
Dell
PS As for one computer per application concept - I don't think that was the
intention of multipurpose computers was it? But I agree it would be simpler
in some ways if money and space and power/peripheral complexity were no
object. Of course, I would have to buy nice audio cards and video cards for
each one, etc. And Roy's point about connecting to the internet for
convenience is absolutely true. If you have not used a Linux OS like
Ubuntu, you simply have not discovered true software installation nirvana -
windows applications are a PITA by comparison. With Ubuntu (and presumably
Puppy, although my companion animal is not nourished by network connection
presently) it's simply 'search' and 'apply' and it downloads and installs
(after you type in a password of course).


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2011-04-14 22:26:54 UTC
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Hi, Panos,

               The reason I said it may be convenient to put it on the web temporarily is I often work in Ubuntu. Most things you could download and save have dependencies, ie other things which must also be downloaded. When you hunt down and download all the dependencies, you find they they all have further dependencies. It's a bit like what the police say about criminals being blackmailed...

  The biggest fleas have smaller fleas

  Upon their backs to bite 'em

  And these have even smaller fleas

  And so ad infinitum.


Trying to collect all the chains of dependencies to save to disk for transfer to another machine is an absolute PITA.

   On the other hand, if you work online you can just type:

  sudo apt-get install [The program you actually want]

     and off it trots, finding all the dependencies for you.

   Alternatively, if you have the main program as a .deb file you can just double click it or right click-open with Gdebi package manager and off you go.


      Have fun,

          Roy.


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From: Panos Ghekas <***@yahoo.gr>
Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] [TROUBLESHOOTING] ASIO4ALL Settings - WAS [ANN]new Russell for 3.13beta6 with Asio
To: jorgan-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Thursday, 14 April, 2011, 22:26

Roy,This is the best solution to many problems with computers, thanks for posting.
Indeed best if one can have a dedicated jOrgan computer, I even go further and say with no Internet at all ! Download with the other, scan, clean if to, transfer with a stick or SD card to the dedicated machine.This way, opening task manager one would see a few apps eating precious memory needed for the organ/instrument ect, and no interference from net based programms all the
time. Update this delete that, this is available, go now and the rest.So in a way I posted again, like a hardware instrument, not a general use computer.
Hmmm it's fun to get one this way !Panos

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Hmmmm Roy,
Wisely spoken, no doubt about that.
But, to tell you the truth is not so PITA for me to transfer into a "virgin lap" just :Java, jOrgan, Asio4all, JackRouter, Viena, ZeroX, IzotopeRX, TWE, Sony Sourge90,WinRAR, Alcohol 120%, NotePad++, Savihost, SIR2 & Lexicon PCM , LinuxSampler and REAPER, along with 3GB dispositions and 10GB files for Linuxsampler.
It maybe sound like hardcore sex but is not. Is great fun !Of course it can be more simpler :Java, jOrgan, Asio4all, JackRouter, Savihost and Reverberate LE + Disposor even more simple :Java, jOrgan, Asio & dispos
Cool.
and fun
Panos

--- Óôéò ÐÝì., 14/04/11, ï/ç Roy Radford <***@yahoo.co.uk> Ýãñáøå:

Hi, Panos,

               The reason I said it may be convenient to put it on the web temporarily is I often work in Ubuntu. Most things you could download and save have dependencies, ie other things which must also be downloaded. When you hunt down and download all the dependencies, you find they they all have further dependencies. It's a bit like what the police say about criminals being blackmailed...

  The biggest fleas have smaller fleas

  Upon their backs to bite 'em

  And these have even smaller fleas

  And so ad infinitum.


Trying to collect all the chains of dependencies to save to disk for transfer to another machine is an absolute PITA.

   On the other hand, if you work online you can just
type:

  sudo apt-get install [The program you actually want]

     and off it trots, finding all the dependencies for you.

   Alternatively, if you have the main program as a .deb file you can just double click it or right click-open with Gdebi package manager and off you go.


      Have fun,

          Roy.
Panos Ghekas
2011-04-15 01:32:49 UTC
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Dell !
This is ODD !!!
This is the first time I hear Asio has more latency than direct soundHow's this possible?Obie is a small to medium model and its real samples with initial sharp cuts.Is fast here......
Maybe indeed we miss something here.......
You're the experts on Linux experience, so here I hear you with both my ears wide open and loud and clear, so I'm not insist on it, just chatting and..... learning.
bestpanos

--- Óôéò ÐÝì., 14/04/11, ï/ç DellAnderson <***@anim8.com> Ýãñáøå:

Thanks, Panos, but perhaps you misunderstood.  I am not using Jack at all -
simply the PortAudio extension and targeting Obie's Fluidsynth in jOrgan to
PortAudio/Asio4All (rather than dsound or whatever).    I have horrible
latency that way.  If I go direct to dsound, I have almost no latency, which
is almost exactly opposite what I would expect.

Keep in mind, I am using an Edirol UM-1 MIDI-USB adapter which always seems
to add a LITTLE latency, but not enough to notice with the dsound option. 
I think I am missing something crucial here.

best,
Dell
PS As for one computer per application concept - I don't think that was the
intention of multipurpose computers was it?  But I agree it would be simpler
in some ways if money and space and power/peripheral complexity were no
object.  Of course, I would have to buy nice audio cards and video cards for
each one, etc.  And Roy's point about connecting to the internet for
convenience is absolutely true.  If you have not used a Linux OS like
Ubuntu, you simply have not discovered true software installation nirvana -
windows applications are a PITA by comparison.   With Ubuntu (and presumably
Puppy, although my companion animal is not nourished by network connection
presently) it's simply 'search' and 'apply' and it downloads and installs
(after you type in a password of course).


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2011-04-15 01:57:55 UTC
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Post by Panos Ghekas
Dell !
This is ODD !!!
This is the first time I hear Asio has more latency than direct soundHow's
this possible?Obie is a small to medium model and its real samples with
initial sharp cuts.Is fast here......
Maybe indeed we miss something here.......
You're the experts on Linux experience, so here I hear you with both my
ears wide open and loud and clear, so I'm not insist on it, just chatting
and..... learning.
Odd indeed, and I am quite sure it has nothing to do with Obie! Perhaps
something to do with fact I have dual processor 3.2ghz only? Or perhaps
some lingering configuration issue with Windows? I have no idea.

As for Linux expert, far from it. But need not be to operate Ubuntu - I
was fortunate to have friend to walk me through initially, but I was amazed
at how simple it is if you plan to use common apps (It can be more tricky if
you want to do audio of course, but that is only because Linux is younger
and we audio freaks are a smaller group than say, Word Processing or even
Graphics people on Linux.

best regards,

Dell


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2011-04-15 05:18:41 UTC
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Hi Dell,
Thanks for the little info on Linux use !
Hey, you're faster than me !! dualcore 2.2GHz here < dual pross 3.2GHz there.. (only?!!). So we exclude CPU....

Gotta run.....
best
Panos

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Odd indeed, and I am quite sure it has nothing to do with Obie!   Perhaps
something to do with fact I have dual processor 3.2ghz only?  Or perhaps
some lingering configuration issue with Windows?   I have no idea.

As for Linux expert, far from it.   But need not be to operate Ubuntu - I
was fortunate to have friend to walk me through initially, but I was amazed
at how simple it is if you plan to use common apps (It can be more tricky if
you want to do audio of course, but that is only because Linux is younger
and we audio freaks are a smaller group than say, Word Processing or even
Graphics people on Linux.

best regards,

Dell
DellAnderson
2011-04-15 06:25:14 UTC
Permalink
Hi Panos & GrahamG!

I just finished an extensive chat troubleshoot session with GrahamG (thank
you Graham!!) and I am happy to report that I can now rest my head on my
pillow this evening (night now) knowing I have almost NO LATENCY with
ASIO4ALL v2 !!!!!!

It was not my CPU but apparently my rather wimpy Creative AudioPCI
ES1371/ES1373 WDM card plus the usual accumulation of errors and ignorance
on my part when previously experimenting by trial and error:

1) I didn't realize it was important to go into construct mode and refresh
PortAudio settings on Fluid Synth element between each portaudio
configuration change by changing back and forth to dsound or some other
driver.
2) I learned that the little blue mark in ASIO buffer size setting is
apparently an indicator of whatever I have buffer size set to in jOrgan. I
am to drag the slider over it to match. In my case, it needed to downsize
to change to 256 and 2 buffers (I may later have to increase 256 to 384 or
512 if I get stutter with a lot of stops says Graham) Smaller buffer =
less latency, but increase risk of stutter
3) I had to untick the hardware buffer and tick "Always Resample
44.1->48khz" and "Force WDM Driver to 16 bit".

Another happy camper, thanks to GrahamG's patient instruction.

best,

Dell


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2011-04-15 06:31:19 UTC
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PS - Panos, when I get more confident, I may try and set up the Jack control
connections as you suggested and maybe some reverb on this unit.

GrahamG also gave me some evil ideas about using the LAN extension for
jOrgan to run this computer from the other room. I'm not quite sure about
where the input device would be (MIDI in) but that's for another day anyway.

I can even imagine some interesting online collaboration (since with Midi
Over Lan theoretically distance is no object - although I can imagine there
might be a touch of latency between continents...the jOrgan
orchestra...hehehehe

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2011-04-15 08:52:01 UTC
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Hi, Dell,

            I too hope no one is looking to me as a Linux "Expert". I've picked up quite a few bits and pieces relevant to jOrgan and cobbled it all together for Bill Skees' Guide, but there's far more Linux lore I don't know than do!

   Someone told me the word "Expert" is a hybrid... "Ex" meaning a has-been and "Spurt", meaning a drip under pressure. Go figure!  

    As you say, regular aps are particularly easy in Ubuntu. For stuff like Qsynth you can just go to Ubuntu software centre and enter it in the search box. Click install, give the inevitable password and you're in business.


      Have fun,

         Roy.


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From: DellAnderson <***@anim8.com>
Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] [TROUBLESHOOTING] ASIO4ALL Settings - WAS [ANN]new Russell for 3.13beta6 with Asio
To: jorgan-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 2:57
Post by Panos Ghekas
Dell !
This is ODD !!!
This is the first time I hear Asio has more latency than direct soundHow's
this possible?Obie is a small to medium model and its real samples with
initial sharp cuts.Is fast here......
Maybe indeed we miss something here.......
You're the experts on Linux experience, so here I hear you with both my
ears wide open and loud and clear, so I'm not insist on it, just chatting
and..... learning.
Odd indeed, and I am quite sure it has nothing to do with Obie!   Perhaps
something to do with fact I have dual processor 3.2ghz only?  Or perhaps
some lingering configuration issue with Windows?   I have no idea.

As for Linux expert, far from it.   But need not be to operate Ubuntu - I
was fortunate to have friend to walk me through initially, but I was amazed
at how simple it is if you plan to use common apps (It can be more tricky if
you want to do audio of course, but that is only because Linux is younger
and we audio freaks are a smaller group than say, Word Processing or even
Graphics people on Linux.

best regards,

Dell


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2011-04-15 08:54:12 UTC
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If you guys have any Linux questions im more than happy to help. I am linux
certified and would like to persue further certification on Linux when i can
find the time.
Post by Roy Radford
Hi, Dell,
I too hope no one is looking to me as a Linux "Expert". I've
picked up quite a few bits and pieces relevant to jOrgan and cobbled it all
together for Bill Skees' Guide, but there's far more Linux lore I don't know
than do!
Someone told me the word "Expert" is a hybrid... "Ex" meaning a has-been
and "Spurt", meaning a drip under pressure. Go figure!
As you say, regular aps are particularly easy in Ubuntu. For stuff like
Qsynth you can just go to Ubuntu software centre and enter it in the search
box. Click install, give the inevitable password and you're in business.
Have fun,
Roy.
Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] [TROUBLESHOOTING] ASIO4ALL Settings - WAS
[ANN]new Russell for 3.13beta6 with Asio
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 2:57
Post by Panos Ghekas
Dell !
This is ODD !!!
This is the first time I hear Asio has more latency than direct
soundHow's
Post by Panos Ghekas
this possible?Obie is a small to medium model and its real samples with
initial sharp cuts.Is fast here......
Maybe indeed we miss something here.......
You're the experts on Linux experience, so here I hear you with both my
ears wide open and loud and clear, so I'm not insist on it, just chatting
and..... learning.
Odd indeed, and I am quite sure it has nothing to do with Obie! Perhaps
something to do with fact I have dual processor 3.2ghz only? Or perhaps
some lingering configuration issue with Windows? I have no idea.
As for Linux expert, far from it. But need not be to operate Ubuntu - I
was fortunate to have friend to walk me through initially, but I was amazed
at how simple it is if you plan to use common apps (It can be more tricky if
you want to do audio of course, but that is only because Linux is younger
and we audio freaks are a smaller group than say, Word Processing or even
Graphics people on Linux.
best regards,
Dell
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Roy Radford
2011-04-15 09:21:01 UTC
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Hi, Marco,

                As I remarked before I'm a bit hazy on detail here but if you've already got everything running using the Jack connection panel you should be able to create a patchbay from it in one shot using the "Snapshot" function.

     Have fun,

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Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] [TROUBLESHOOTING] ASIO4ALL Settings - WAS [ANN]new Russell for 3.13beta6 with Asio
To: jorgan-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 9:30






Hello Marco,



Bravo! You made it.



Marco Francesco wrote:

When I close everything, how do I get all this going again without running
into problems? Certainly I would not try this on Easter Day church service
or indeed at any service until I am convinced the result is reproducible and
reproducible with ease. I am not confident in getting the whole set up, up
and running a second time.

Marco




For that you will need to use the patchbay.



A good document about this is available here .



All the best.



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2011-04-15 11:42:02 UTC
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Hi Dell,

YEAH ! Now I'm happy too ! at last you got what I'm tryin' to express all those months about FS with Direct Sound.
Enjoy playin' now my friend !

And wait a minute : Direct sound with Hauptwerk 1.23 plays gooood ! with GrandOrgue (if not select Asio) very good too (win7) but with Fluidsynth the chemistry didn;t work it seems.... As a prove , now we can enjoy Fluidsynth's power when Asio took the audio control. A different fluidsynth it seems but it's the same....

Graham....... he's good isn't he ? One of the best, like a digital guardian angel IMHO....

best
Panos

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Çìåñïìçíßá: ÐáñáóêåõÞ, 15 Áðñßëéïò 2011, 6:25

Hi Panos & GrahamG!

I just finished an extensive chat troubleshoot session with GrahamG (thank
you Graham!!) and I am happy to report that I can now rest my head on my
pillow this evening (night now) knowing I have almost NO LATENCY with
ASIO4ALL v2 !!!!!!

It was not my CPU but apparently my rather wimpy Creative AudioPCI
ES1371/ES1373 WDM card plus the usual accumulation of errors and ignorance
on my part when previously experimenting by trial and error:

1) I didn't realize it was important to go into construct mode and refresh
PortAudio settings on Fluid Synth element between each portaudio
configuration change  by changing back and forth to dsound or some other
driver.
2) I learned that the little blue mark in ASIO buffer size setting is
apparently an indicator of whatever I have buffer size set to in jOrgan. I
am to drag the slider over it to match.  In my case, it needed to downsize
to change to 256 and 2 buffers (I may later have to increase 256 to 384 or
512 if I get stutter with a lot of stops says Graham)   Smaller buffer =
less latency, but increase risk of stutter
3) I had to untick the hardware buffer and tick "Always Resample
44.1->48khz" and "Force WDM Driver to 16 bit".

Another happy camper, thanks to GrahamG's patient instruction.

best,

Dell


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2011-04-15 15:00:40 UTC
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Post by Panos Ghekas
Graham....... he's good isn't he ? One of the best, like a digital guardian angel IMHO....
Yeah, he's the best. Very happy to have this working. Perhaps not best to
call 'direct sound' as that would confuse with dsound driver. I am using
the ASIO4ALL v2 & port audio extension of jOrgan. Graham hinted that he
may add a little writeup to what we did to the tutorials section of jOrgan
sourceforge wiki.

Thanks again to all. Will report more as have time.

best,

Dell




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2011-04-16 07:25:04 UTC
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At the end of a splitting-headache day at work, I come home, eat dinner, and
after watching DVD movie, play jOrgan! Obie is still working, so I get
brave and decide to try Christie on jOrgan 3.13b6 (my wimpy Linux computer
somehow is unable to play Christie on the Live CD version - no graphical
user interface, so I'm curious what it will look like on my faster Windows
computer).

Well - Rick's interface skin is beautiful, but for some reason I cannot make
ASIO behave. Always a "RED X" in the audio card output in ASIO4All....then
I spy the 'christie3.13by_SingleFS01 version. I install, and it plays VERY
nicely, but has no skin - just text and boxes. Ugly! Then I double check -
I did not extract the skin zip files! Aha, I do that, and reload Christie
from start, set up keyboard channels and it already is defaulted to ASIO4ALL
- PortAudio. Wow!

How does it sound so good with only 4mb compressed? How I ask? I play
"Beautiful Dreamer" sample Midi file...sounds very good with headphones (it
is late here, as in past midnight, and I must not wake sleeping
beauty)....this is FUN!

I've even figured out how to copy the dispositions to a 13 folder before
opening (thanks to reading this list and retaining at least a little of what
I read!)...

So what other dispositions can I play with the ASIO4ALL plugin?
Oberhausbergen, Christie, ...

thanks to you geniuses out there who work hard to make software like this!
I think my Dad is really going to enjoy this (I'm going to take a DVD up
when I visit him next weekend and hopefully install it on his new laptop for
him). He thought Miditzer was cool.

Best,

Dell




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2011-04-16 07:47:16 UTC
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Dell im not sure if you noticed, but beta7 was released yesterday.
Post by DellAnderson
At the end of a splitting-headache day at work, I come home, eat dinner, and
after watching DVD movie, play jOrgan! Obie is still working, so I get
brave and decide to try Christie on jOrgan 3.13b6 (my wimpy Linux computer
somehow is unable to play Christie on the Live CD version - no graphical
user interface, so I'm curious what it will look like on my faster Windows
computer).
Well - Rick's interface skin is beautiful, but for some reason I cannot make
ASIO behave. Always a "RED X" in the audio card output in ASIO4All....then
I spy the 'christie3.13by_SingleFS01 version. I install, and it plays VERY
nicely, but has no skin - just text and boxes. Ugly! Then I double check -
I did not extract the skin zip files! Aha, I do that, and reload Christie
from start, set up keyboard channels and it already is defaulted to ASIO4ALL
- PortAudio. Wow!
How does it sound so good with only 4mb compressed? How I ask? I play
"Beautiful Dreamer" sample Midi file...sounds very good with headphones (it
is late here, as in past midnight, and I must not wake sleeping
beauty)....this is FUN!
I've even figured out how to copy the dispositions to a 13 folder before
opening (thanks to reading this list and retaining at least a little of what
I read!)...
So what other dispositions can I play with the ASIO4ALL plugin?
Oberhausbergen, Christie, ...
thanks to you geniuses out there who work hard to make software like this!
I think my Dad is really going to enjoy this (I'm going to take a DVD up
when I visit him next weekend and hopefully install it on his new laptop for
him). He thought Miditzer was cool.
Best,
Dell
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2011-04-16 12:54:27 UTC
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Thank you Dell

Please try the main Christie disposition using "dsound" you will get the
full effect of multiple instances of fluidsynth. I would be interested
in your comments.

I am not sure why the skin didn't work first time for you in the single
fluidsynth version. You should not need to extract that file for it to
work. Did you keep it all together in its own folder? I do try hard to
keep all the internal file addressing correct so it opens easily for
everyone. If I have made a mistake I want to learn what it is and fix it.

The sound is a combination of the brilliant work of Bruce Miles and the
genius of Sven in his ever evolving jOrgan. I am just putting the two
together.

Regards
Rick
Post by DellAnderson
At the end of a splitting-headache day at work, I come home, eat dinner, and
after watching DVD movie, play jOrgan! Obie is still working, so I get
brave and decide to try Christie on jOrgan 3.13b6 (my wimpy Linux computer
somehow is unable to play Christie on the Live CD version - no graphical
user interface, so I'm curious what it will look like on my faster Windows
computer).
Well - Rick's interface skin is beautiful, but for some reason I cannot make
ASIO behave. Always a "RED X" in the audio card output in ASIO4All....then
I spy the 'christie3.13by_SingleFS01 version. I install, and it plays VERY
nicely, but has no skin - just text and boxes. Ugly! Then I double check -
I did not extract the skin zip files! Aha, I do that, and reload Christie
from start, set up keyboard channels and it already is defaulted to ASIO4ALL
- PortAudio. Wow!
How does it sound so good with only 4mb compressed? How I ask? I play
"Beautiful Dreamer" sample Midi file...sounds very good with headphones (it
is late here, as in past midnight, and I must not wake sleeping
beauty)....this is FUN!
I've even figured out how to copy the dispositions to a 13 folder before
opening (thanks to reading this list and retaining at least a little of what
I read!)...
So what other dispositions can I play with the ASIO4ALL plugin?
Oberhausbergen, Christie, ...
thanks to you geniuses out there who work hard to make software like this!
I think my Dad is really going to enjoy this (I'm going to take a DVD up
when I visit him next weekend and hopefully install it on his new laptop for
him). He thought Miditzer was cool.
Best,
Dell
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DellAnderson
2011-04-16 17:00:26 UTC
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@Roy - breakneck speed I should say! I am not trying to keep up (or I will
break my neck) but since I am rather new at this and had no working system,
I thought I might as well try the 'latest-greatest' So far so good!

By the way, with more experimentation today with the general presents, I
found a slight amount of what sounded like overmodulation, which completely
disappeared when I cranked the Fluidsynth gain down to 0.1 and increased the
system audio to compensate. Don't know if that is the most elegant
solution, but it worked (I suggest that the gain be lower by default in this
disposition, but this may just be my audio card and PortAudio combination)

@Rick - thanks for your comments. In review and with experimentation, I see
I did not need to expand the skins. I'm not completely sure how it
happened, but it looks like I did not even have a skins zip file in the
folder at all, possibly because of an error in copying (I carefully copied
the 3.10 Christie from my 3.10 folder into the 3.13 folder before opening
with the 3.13 beta 6 version of jOrgan). So my expanding the skin.zip file
was a red herring and a waste - what it really needed was the zip file.
Good to know!

- As for comparing the dsound and PortAudio, all comments which follow
should be taken with a big grain of salt because as you are probably aware
by now, I have little clue about what I am doing, but since you asked, I did
go back and knowing what I know now about setting up jOrgan, I tried the
multi-Fluidsynth version of Christie with dsound drivers. I wasn't sure
how to install various versions of jOrgan, so I may have ruined the test by
doing so, but I used the jOrgan 3.13-beta6 for my side-by-side comparisons,
changing only the disposition (I even used the same "Beautiful Dreamer" midi
file).

Bottom line: MultiInstance Fluidsynth with dsound on my wimpy Creative
ES1371/1373 card was terrible! Sounded like a tinny electronic organ.
Initially, I had so much stutter, I could not even play without
embarrassment, so I cranked the buffers up to 1024 and that solved that.
There seemed to be a very wide stereo separation (almost totally right or
left panned) wearing headphones, but almost no reverb. On my system, the
sound level was also very much lower, so I had to crank the fluidsynth gain
up to 0.96 for each instance.

With PortAudio/Asio4All single fluidsynth instance, I can almost believe I
am listening to the Castro Wurlitzer Pipe TO! It has a much more mellow,
'rounder' and 'fuller' tone, and doesn't sound tinny or like a computer tone
generator.

Again, I must emphasize that this difference may be simple artifact of some
bonehead configuration mistake on my part, or perhaps my el-cheapo audio
card. It should definitely not reflect in any way on the underlying
multi-fluidsynth disposition.

I might ask, what is the intended purpose of multiple Fluidsynths? I
didn't seem to have a problem with polyphony using the single instance, as I
'played along' with the MIDI file using my keyboard and didn't notice any
missing notes. So that's at least 15-20 note polyphony.

If there is anything more I can test I will try to do so.

Thanks again for these wonderful dispositions! Unfortunately, this is all
tempting me to invest in a newer computer for the devoting to the organ
console.... (I'm doing all Windows testing with a portable Casio keyboard
because the Allen console has the Puppy linux version) :-(

best,

Dell

This turned out to be trickier

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Roy Radford
2011-04-16 09:10:40 UTC
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Hi, Dell,

            Things have certainly been moving at breakneck pace lately, frankly I haven't even TRIED to keep pace with it. Maybe when the dust settles the stalwarts who are designing these goodies for us will put links to their latest and greatest on the Wiki so we can take it a bit steadier without losing anything!  


      Have fun,

          Roy.


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Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] [TROUBLESHOOTING] ASIO4ALL Settings - WAS [ANN]new Russell for 3.13beta6 with Asio
To: jorgan-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 8:25

At the end of a splitting-headache day at work, I come home, eat dinner, and
after watching DVD movie, play  jOrgan!   Obie is still working, so I get
brave and decide to try Christie on jOrgan 3.13b6 (my wimpy Linux computer
somehow is unable to play Christie on the Live CD version - no graphical
user interface, so I'm curious what it will look like on my faster Windows
computer).

Well - Rick's interface skin is beautiful, but for some reason I cannot make
ASIO behave.  Always a "RED X" in the audio card output in ASIO4All....then
I spy the 'christie3.13by_SingleFS01 version.  I install, and it plays VERY
nicely, but has no skin - just text and boxes.  Ugly!  Then I double check -
I did not extract the skin zip files!   Aha, I do that, and reload Christie
from start, set up keyboard channels and it already is defaulted to ASIO4ALL
- PortAudio.  Wow!   

How does it sound so good with only 4mb compressed?   How I ask?   I play
"Beautiful Dreamer" sample Midi file...sounds very good with headphones (it
is late here, as in past midnight, and I must not wake sleeping
beauty)....this is FUN!

I've even figured out how to copy the dispositions to a 13 folder before
opening (thanks to reading this list and retaining at least a little of what
I read!)...

So what other dispositions can I play with the ASIO4ALL plugin?
Oberhausbergen, Christie, ...

thanks to you geniuses out there who work hard to make software like this!   
I think my Dad is really going to enjoy this (I'm going to take a DVD up
when I visit him next weekend and hopefully install it on his new laptop for
him).   He thought Miditzer was cool. 

Best,

Dell




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